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David Vaughan: 20/01/2007 21:17 Vaughan

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 Also, I'll need some help with b), with the determination of names for worlds, systems, at least one sector, maybe a nebula, the odd asteroid field, etc. :)
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David Vaughan: 20/01/2007 15:30 Vaughan

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			==20/01/2007 15:30 Vaughan==
			Haha!

			Well, at this stage of the timeline (or at least the timeline placements of the conflicts with the EH) for us, it's not possible for them to have a ''Sovereign''-class, as they haven't been invented yet. And also . . . all Sovereigns were blown up in the ''Dark Empire'' series, right? But that's okay, I didn't have a particular preferences for which location. We'll go with the one you said.

			Hmm . . . okay.

			I'll go off and make a much nicer-looking mock-up map, for our cartographers to base their good ones on.

			The next steps, then, are (and these can happen simultaneously) a) make the maps, and b) determine location placements for all past conflicts (specifically battles).

			For a), I'll make the prettified version of the map, so that the cartographers can get to work on making the region map with sector boundaries.

			And for b), I'll provide the data I've gleaned already, along with my proposed locations (for locations that aren't officially placed).

			Also, I'll need some help with b), with the determination of names for worlds, systems, at least one sector, maybe a nebula, the odd asteroid field, etc. :)

			":)

			Brig. David Vaughan

			Logistics Officer

David Vaughan: 20/01/2007 06:06 Starkiller

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			==20/01/2007 06:06 Starkiller==
			I like the more southern placement of the Aurora Sector. I imagine that if the New Republic had an Imperial bastion which possessed a Sovereign-class Star Dreadnought directly near their main Area of Occupation, they'd freak a bit. Especially since this Imperial stronghold isn't a more benign faction like the old Pentastar Alignment was, for example. A more rearward position would make it less of a concern to the NR's main holdings, and more of a concern to their Rimward allies -- i.e. us.

			Teh space east of the Kola Sector is probably just small colonies or friendly space. Either way, it doesn't really concern us until something happens out there, I guess.

			Can't think of much else for the moment. Nice map, though. :P

			":)

			Randy Starkiller

David Vaughan: 19/01/2007 13:45 Trebonious-Astoris

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			==19/01/2007 13:45 Trebonious-Astoris==
			A brief note to say that I have no objects personally. :P Green light from me.

			":)

			Dave

David Vaughan: 18/01/2007 22:54 Vaughan

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			==18/01/2007 22:54 Vaughan==
			Wow.

			For re-starting this discussion, I sure did a lousy job. :P

			Thank-you for the replies thus far, everyone.

			I am currently training up a number of Assistant Logistics Officers (to one day replay me), so I have brough them up to speed with the discussion (as evidenced by the '''wiki transcript'''). Their input is now also welcome to the discussion.

			So it is that we welcome (in no particular order) Captain Gavin Starseeker (Seeks), Major Olith Hesto, Captain Jotheb Tahn, General David Pasichnyk (Heavy), and Commander Calista Fairbright.

			First of all, a message posted by Seeks:

			'''":)'''

			'''Thanks to Vaughan for including me in the discussions here. Just wanted to say that when you've worked out the rest of the placements, I could produce a high-detailed map for you. Perhaps even with the progression of conflicts in the RS's past as a visual reference. But first, the placements of course.'''

			'''As for the Aurora Sector, what was the history of stuff we did there? As in, was there any contact with other places, that sort of thing. That should be factored in. Otherwise, I don't have any gripes with what's been done thus far.'''

			'''~Gavin Starseeker'''

			Thank-you, Seeks. :) Abi has also offered to draw up maps, so maybe Abi could make the originals, and you could work with me afterward on doing conflict maps (showing the progression of territory as controlled by the various factions as time and campaigns go by).

			As for the Aurora Sector, we never actually visited the place in any competitions or campaigns. However, it is the name of the base sector controlled by the Emperor's Hammer, an Imperial club whom we have clashed with since our beginnings last decade. There are no solid placements we can give this region that are compatible with our maps, so we have the explanation of it being the main Imperial bastion of power, and of Imperial forces using other sectors closer to us (such as the Dotani and Binaural Sectors) as forward territory from which to strike at us. However, over time we have gradually conquered those regions, pushing them back up to their main territory and decimating their forces.

			Obviously, though, they still have a sizable fleet to throw at us, as evidenced by the Battle of Blerthmore (except that those Imperial forces struck from a completely different angle --- from the Subterrel Sector).

			So by not worrying about the EH's opinion of where their territory is, and by following the logic of the Binaural and Dotani Sectors having been Imperial territory backing up to that in the past, we have the tentative placement of the Aurora Sector between (or out to the left slightly) of the Elrood Sector and Dotani Sector.

			Okay, so here's the [http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/Cartography/LocalAreaTentative5.jpg '''quick, rough and nasty draft map'''] I have as it currently stands.

			Changes:

			* Moved the Meridian Cluster off the trade route a bit, to try and populate the right hand side of the trade route somewhat
			* More firmly placed the Ynia Cluster, in a place so that Imperial forces could have used the Minos Cluster to move troops and ships through back in the day (not anymore)
			* Supplied two options for possible placements of the Aurora Sector, bastion of Imperial power in the region. Which do you think is more appropriate?
			* Added the Kola Sector, next to the Greeop Sector (and a reason why we haven't investigated sectors to the right --- any possible Imperial forces, of which there are probably none, would have to get through Kola Sector to reach us first)
			* Expanded (looks horrible the way I've done it, I know) the sizes of most of the sectors.
			* I have also noted the direction of the Subterrel Sector, from our locations
			* And added in a 'possible' route the Imperial strike force that rocked Blerthmore could have used


			So, if you have any comments or criticisms, throw them in. Otherwise, we'll accept this horribly rough draft as it is, and then start working on cleaner copies (whatever final draft version we agree on I'll re-make from scratch to make sure the cartographer's job at making a good copy is easier, so that things are to scale correctly and so forth).

			":)

			Brig. David Vaughan

			Logistics Officer

David Vaughan: Removed 17/01/2007 09:18 Starseeker as this page is a transcript of email discussion. The material here will be re-added with the transcript of the next email, as I am quoting Seeks in it. :)

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Removed 17/01/2007 09:18 Starseeker as this page is a transcript of email discussion. The material here will be re-added with the transcript of the next email, as I am quoting Seeks in it. :)

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	~~==17/01/2007 09:18 Starseeker==~~

	~~":)~~

	Thanks to Vaughan for including me in the discussions here. Just wanted to say that when you've worked out the rest of the placements, I could produce a high-detailed map for you. Perhaps even with the progression of conflicts in the RS's past as a visual reference. But first, the placements of course.

	As for the Aurora Sector, what was the history of stuff we did there? As in, was there any contact with other places, that sort of thing. That should be factored in. Otherwise, I don't have any gripes with what's been done thus far.

	~~~Gavin Starseeker~~

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	If you're reading this email, then you're relevant to the project in some way --- Randy has agreed to help work on data for the locations, Rekio and Raven are Deputy and Tactical Logistics Officers, respectively, Abi has agreed to work on turning what we produce into sleek-looking sector maps, Dave is FC, and Josh as PBF CO has created storyline in various locations, and may have input on where his fleet was at certain times.		If you're reading this email, then you're relevant to the project in some way --- Randy has agreed to help work on data for the locations, Rekio and Raven are Deputy and Tactical Logistics Officers, respectively, Abi has agreed to work on turning what we produce into sleek-looking sector maps, Dave is FC, and Josh as PBF CO has created storyline in various locations, and may have input on where his fleet was at certain times.

	I'd firstly like to start off with the '''established canon representation''' ~~(see below)~~ of our local area and beyond (Abi: not that it's only the Elrood and Tantra Sectors down to the Kathol Sector that we need to worry about . . . although maybe include the Subterrel Sector, too . . . so for any map that you would make, take those borders there as accurate for those established locations).		I'd firstly like to start off with the '''[http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/Cartography/SouthernOuterRim.jpg established canon representation]''' of our local area and beyond (Abi: not that it's only the Elrood and Tantra Sectors down to the Kathol Sector that we need to worry about . . . although maybe include the Subterrel Sector, too . . . so for any map that you would make, take those borders there as accurate for those established locations).

	~~http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/Cartography/SouthernOuterRim.jpg~~

	Anything we want to create must fit within those established borders.		Anything we want to create must fit within those established borders.

	Here is an '''early sketch''' ~~(see below)~~ of my impression of where locations could be in relation to each other, based on the Planets Database and ITOD missions and campaigns (note that this is a crappy sketch, and is very rough --- most definitely not to scale!).		Here is an '''[http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/Cartography/LocalNeighbourhood20060831a.png early sketch]''' of my impression of where locations could be in relation to each other, based on the Planets Database and ITOD missions and campaigns (note that this is a crappy sketch, and is very rough --- most definitely not to scale!).

	~~http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/Cartography/LocalNeighbourhood20060831a.png~~

	And before I get into explanations of why I tentatively placed locations where I did, please refer to this '''[[Vaughan/Tour locations\|wiki entry on tour locations]]'''.		And before I get into explanations of why I tentatively placed locations where I did, please refer to this '''[[Vaughan/Tour locations\|wiki entry on tour locations]]'''.
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	http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/VaughanBackups/randy_greeop_sector.jpg		[http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/VaughanBackups/randy_greeop_sector.jpg '''Greeop Sector''']

	http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/VaughanBackups/randy_greeop_nebula.JPG		[http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/VaughanBackups/randy_greeop_nebula.JPG '''Greeop Nebula''']

	==10/12/2006 20:08 Vaughan==		==10/12/2006 20:08 Vaughan==
	Hmm . . .		Hmm . . .

	A few thoughts:		A few thoughts:
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	Hang on, I'll whack up a quick demonstration on the map to show what I mean . . .		Hang on, I'll whack up a quick demonstration on the map to show what I mean . . .

	Okay, I've whacked together a crude map to show you what I mean . . . the only uncertain placements I have are the Meridian Cluster (which should probably be to the right of the trade route, but it'll do for now), and the Aurora Sector, which I'm not sure how to make work.		Okay, I've whacked together a '''[http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/VaughanBackups/LocalAreaTentative1.jpg crude map]''' to show you what I mean . . . the only uncertain placements I have are the Meridian Cluster (which should probably be to the right of the trade route, but it'll do for now), and the Aurora Sector, which I'm not sure how to make work.

	Note that:		Note that:
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	~~http://lo.rebelsquadrons.org/VaughanBackups/LocalAreaTentative1.jpg~~

	==10/12/2006 22:18 Starkiller==		==10/12/2006 22:18 Starkiller==
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	Regarding canon Imperial locations . . . if you're familiar with '''[http://starwarsatlas.uw.hu/ Modi the Mapmaker's website]''' and '''[http://starwarsatlas.uw.hu/map/his4.htm maps]''', then we should find them relevant to our plans. Conflict maps for the following time periods:		Regarding canon Imperial locations . . . if you're familiar with '''[http://starwarsatlas.uw.hu/ Modi the Mapmaker's website]''' and '''[http://starwarsatlas.uw.hu/map/his4.htm maps]''', then we should find them relevant to our plans. Conflict maps for the following time periods:

	* '''~~5 ABY to 8 ABY'''~~		* '''[http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/5199/gmapblackpostendor1zw7.jpg 5 ABY to 8 ABY]'''
	http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/5199/gmapblackpostendor1zw7.jpg

	* '''~~9 ABY'''~~		* '''[http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/7729/gmapblackpostendor2bsl2.jpg 9 ABY]'''
	http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/7729/gmapblackpostendor2bsl2.jpg

	* '''~~10 ABY to 11 ABY'''~~		* '''[http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9595/gmapblackpostendor3ne8.jpg 10 ABY to 11 ABY]'''
	http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9595/gmapblackpostendor3ne8.jpg

	* '''~~11 ABY to 19 ABY'''~~		* '''[http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2990/gmapblackpostendor4qw0.jpg 11 ABY to 19 ABY]'''
	http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2990/gmapblackpostendor4qw0.jpg

Ray Djo at 22:31, 16 January 2007

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			==17/01/2007 09:18 Starseeker==

			":)

			Thanks to Vaughan for including me in the discussions here. Just wanted to say that when you've worked out the rest of the placements, I could produce a high-detailed map for you. Perhaps even with the progression of conflicts in the RS's past as a visual reference. But first, the placements of course.

			As for the Aurora Sector, what was the history of stuff we did there? As in, was there any contact with other places, that sort of thing. That should be factored in. Otherwise, I don't have any gripes with what's been done thus far.

			~Gavin Starseeker