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| Propose 1 and 2 aren't that far off from each other. I'll make propose 3 that will incorporate what it appears we need for MP and ITOD'ing. I don't think MP medals can match ITOD medals, but that almost everyting except MP can fall under ITOD'ing, except maybe something like ICTE which can and should be covered under fleet medals.
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| The terminology also needs to be unified to aid this discussion. For example, under proposal 2, many of the Service medals would fall under combat in proposal 1 (and the current RS system).
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| --Super 1:50pm PDT 7/20/06
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| | * <del>Fleets medals should be standardized and consolidated into fleet medals where possible.</del> [[Adam Mieter]] 11:56, 29 July 2012 |
| | | * <del>Commendation medals are too specific.</del> - They seem to be general enough. [[Adam Mieter]] 11:56, 29 July 2012 |
| Actually, there is some difficulty in using the scheme from proposal 2 because propose 2 doesn't have a scheme. I've looked at it and can find any patterns to work with. I realize it is a rough draft. Instead of creating a new proposal, I'm going to add to proposal 1 to include service. I'm not sure we should be adding squadron awards to the RS-Wide menu, but I think we could move up some individual contributions awards from the fleet level to the RS-Wide level. For the next week or so, Proposal 1 will be fluid. Please feel free to make comments about it as i progress.
| | * <del>Violet Cluster should not be retired because it is a "fun" medal.</del> |
| | | * <del>Alvace Star and Burdine Cluster should be replaced with names more relevant to the RS.</del> - I think they have nice names and I've heard no complaints so far. [[Adam Mieter]] 11:57, 29 July 2012 |
| --Super 1:50pm PDT 7/20/06
| | * MP Combat medals guidelines - should they be a daily averages or weekly total? should this include internal or just be for external competitions? should MP medals be recommended by the OO or MO? |
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| I think it would be cool if all the medals showed up on the uniform page.... Most medals have thumbnail pics that (I think, Im not technical with the site and stuff) would probly go easily on the uniform.... I dont like giving out a graduation medal and having the new recruit ask, "Why arent my medals showing up?" Just seems a little half-baked to me, no offence to anyone. ":P
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| --Graff Starkiller 12:36 CST 7/21/06
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| Super is correct that the purposals aren't that different from each other, I just made a second one to have on of play arround with. I think the most immedate differece inbetween the purposals in the difference in terminology used in creating them. This is something that should likely be addressed via a seperate discussion so we can firmly agree on terms thus making it easier to communicate ideas between each other.
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| Currently, the draft doesn't have a scheme, I was just making stuff up the top of my head, the extral link to the 2004 purposal is much more of what I had in mind (and the direction Super's going in as well). I'm still re-researching real life military medals since they gave me quite a bit of inspirations on how things are/can be done. I'm hoping to make some headway this weekend but they're a lot to do with it.
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| As for the medals on the uniform page, yes they should. In general all the medals we keep/update/create need graphic tun-ups as well. But for simplicity sake, I'd be up for having ribbion on the uniforms as medals are awarded.
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| Anyway, I got a lot on the mind in reguards to inter-fleet (RS Medals), Fleet medals, and Academy/graduation medals (though, i imagine this will inevitable depend on how that system is organized administratively) and the like. There are clear cut examples of medals which don't need to be awarded by every fleet and likewise there are lots of medals where are just different fleet's variations of each other.
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| Anyway, back to work.
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| --[[User:Rekio|Rekio]] 12:56, 22 July 2006 (EDT)
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| '''Graduation Medals''' <br>
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| This category should include awards from the Fleet training institutions. Better yet, convert the fleet training medals converted to pin which would be "displayed" on the BP Ribbon. Not sure how that looks ascetically, but in terms of realism, I can see it on a uniform. Maybe we should call these "training" or "academy" medals?
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| '''"Service" Medals''' <br>
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| I'm not sure if I'd rather to refer to these as "veteran" medals or not. And again, I's rather see one medals with some sort of extension. e.g. a medallion that gets bronze addition for every additional year, silver for every 5, etc.
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| '''Combat Medals''' <br>
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| ITOD medals might be best served as a series of fleet medals, since only 2-3 fleets would currently use them. Though, I'd like to seem them stick with a general format as purpose here with uniform criteria, but all the fleets to come up with their own name variations.
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| I'm torn on what to do with the MP Medals. As an alternative, I'd rather see the effort put into the merits system instead, and then associating an award or honor or induction into some order based on merit rank. Otherwise, considering the lack of MP in the RS, I think these medals seem somewhat unlikely to be awarded. Awards for unbelievable, unexpected, and whatever have you types of activity should be award in for the form of merit/general awards.
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| Likewise, with "special combat" medals, their criteria seem a bit extraneous consider more available alternatives. Also, the "New Republic Medal of Honor" should be the highest award in the RS and award for some pseudo-god like service and dedication to the RS, thus is completely inappropriate in this category.
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| Special Tour of Duty should remain as a historical (you can only earn it during the competition) Combat Citation for participation in larger competition, such as ORWs, Celestial Fury, ect. I would also really like the idea of naming them "___ Combat Citation" and filling in the blanks with the fictional representation of what was going on. e.g. Minos Combat Citation for the Minos War in the Minos Cluster in 1998, etc.
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| '''Honorary''' <br>
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| Honorary membership is what it says, honorary, reserved for special guests (SW actors, authors, etc.) and should only be awarded to individuals outside of the RS membership - sort of a "civilian" award.
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| '''Commendation''' <br>
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| Merit awards, general awards, commendation or whatever you call them, should be the biggest category of medals (10 or so) and should have general (even ambiguous if you will) awarding criteria so that they may apply to all members of RS and equally used in each of the fleets. The highest award in this category should be the New Republic Medal of Honor. We need to add more medals here each with a different level of precedence.
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| I like Super's use of levels, it creates a clear order of precedence across categories of medals which I neglected to think about in my initial proposal in 2004. I also like how he's taken to renaming some of the more awkward medals which as has always been a pet peeve of mine and enjoy the use of in-universe names to apply achievements.
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| An additional category to add should be "Unit Awards" which would have General RS equivalent of medals like squadron citations, and Top Squadron medals and the like, but perhaps have individual fleet criteria.
| | <del>Just a suggestion to relabel "New Proposal" as something that suggests this has been implemented. [[User:Fcsuper|Fcsuper]] 20:51, 12 June 2007 (EDT)</del> [[Adam Mieter]] 11:56, 29 July 2012 |
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| Anyway those are my comments for now. Later this weekend I'm going to create examples of what I have in mine since these will serve as notes for then.
| | == There's still a lot of discussionary entries in this article == |
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| --[[User:Rekio|Rekio]] 14:29, 22 July 2006 (EDT) | | <del>There's still a lot of discussionary entries in this article. Please review the article and remove those sections. For example, there is discussion able what should be changed in the bylaws. This should be implemented or not, but either way, it should be rv from the article itself. --[[User:Fcsuper|Fcsuper]] 10:44, 6 July 2008 (EDT)</del> [[Adam Mieter]] 11:56, 29 July 2012 |
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| Thought I would throw in my two cents here :P From what I see I am liking Proposal 1. I did have a problem with the "Required 1 hour or two hours to earn said medel" But now that I have seen the way it seems it will work I am more willing to back it. I also like Rekio's idea about the "Blank Combat Cluster" for combat in a certain system or ITOD or what not. Anyways that is my thoughts right now. Hopefully they will be better next time.
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| Eric Skrevski - July 23rd, 00:49 AM
| | <del>The names of the medals in color are no longer needed. I'll standardize it when I have the time, but anyone else can help too. [[Super]] 01:47, 28 March 2009 (EDT)</del> [[Adam Mieter]] 11:59, 29 July 2012 |
All the previous discussions can be found here.
Recent topics of discussion:
Fleets medals should be standardized and consolidated into fleet medals where possible. Adam Mieter 11:56, 29 July 2012Commendation medals are too specific. - They seem to be general enough. Adam Mieter 11:56, 29 July 2012Violet Cluster should not be retired because it is a "fun" medal.Alvace Star and Burdine Cluster should be replaced with names more relevant to the RS. - I think they have nice names and I've heard no complaints so far. Adam Mieter 11:57, 29 July 2012- MP Combat medals guidelines - should they be a daily averages or weekly total? should this include internal or just be for external competitions? should MP medals be recommended by the OO or MO?
relabel
Just a suggestion to relabel "New Proposal" as something that suggests this has been implemented. Fcsuper 20:51, 12 June 2007 (EDT) Adam Mieter 11:56, 29 July 2012
There's still a lot of discussionary entries in this article
There's still a lot of discussionary entries in this article. Please review the article and remove those sections. For example, there is discussion able what should be changed in the bylaws. This should be implemented or not, but either way, it should be rv from the article itself. --Fcsuper 10:44, 6 July 2008 (EDT) Adam Mieter 11:56, 29 July 2012
color code no longer needed
The names of the medals in color are no longer needed. I'll standardize it when I have the time, but anyone else can help too. Super 01:47, 28 March 2009 (EDT) Adam Mieter 11:59, 29 July 2012