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| ''Note: Cross-reference this with [http://www.rebelsquadrons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=308 Rekio's 2004 proposal].''
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| General comment: The medals should be listed in order of importance, less to most on the website.
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| <font color = "blue">New Comment: I tried to incorporate the proposal 2 scheme, but ran into the issue that proposal two didn't have a scheme per se. I do realize it is a rough draft.</font>
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| <font color = "blue">New new Comment: I will create a new proposal and work on proposal 1 and proposal 3 at the same time. Proposal 3 will be the same medals, but stackable instead of gradient.</font> | | * <del>Fleets medals should be standardized and consolidated into fleet medals where possible.</del> [[Adam Mieter]] 11:56, 29 July 2012 |
| | * <del>Commendation medals are too specific.</del> - They seem to be general enough. [[Adam Mieter]] 11:56, 29 July 2012 |
| | * <del>Violet Cluster should not be retired because it is a "fun" medal.</del> |
| | * <del>Alvace Star and Burdine Cluster should be replaced with names more relevant to the RS.</del> - I think they have nice names and I've heard no complaints so far. [[Adam Mieter]] 11:57, 29 July 2012 |
| | * MP Combat medals guidelines - should they be a daily averages or weekly total? should this include internal or just be for external competitions? should MP medals be recommended by the OO or MO? |
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| <font color = "blue">New new new Comment: I've filled in the gaps on Proposal 1 to have a comprehensive and flexible system of medals. I've reorder the categories more inline with the general importance/difficulty of the category. I've also move the Combat Medals rules to the end of the proposal. ALSO, brackets [] indicate non-final placeholder names or reference information applicable to the previous comment or title.</font>
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| <font color = "red">New new nwe new Comment: The scheme here has pretty much written itself. A natural bias to participation has come out of the process of writting this proposal. This is actually ideal. It means that the RS-Wides can reward participation, but the fleet level medals can specifically reward top skilled performers, such as the a medal that is for an ITOD's overall top scorer, or the person with the most kills within a MP event. This allows the RS-wide medals from getting too much into the details of individual games, while rewarding the level of participation within the individual games. I've also spent some time on spell checking and narrowing naming conventions a little bit. </font></font>
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| Propose 1 and 2 aren't that far off from each other. I'll make propose 3 that will incorporate what it appears we need for MP and ITOD'ing. I don't think MP medals can match ITOD medals, but that almost everyting except MP can fall under ITOD'ing, except maybe something like ICTE which can and should be covered under fleet medals.
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| The terminology also needs to be unified to aid this discussion. For example, under proposal 2, many of the Service medals would fall under combat in proposal 1 (and the current RS system).
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| --Super 1:50pm PDT 7/20/06
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| Actually, there is some difficulty in using the scheme from proposal 2 because propose 2 doesn't have a scheme. I've looked at it and can find any patterns to work with. I realize it is a rough draft. Instead of creating a new proposal, I'm going to add to proposal 1 to include service. I'm not sure we should be adding squadron awards to the RS-Wide menu, but I think we could move up some individual contributions awards from the fleet level to the RS-Wide level. For the next week or so, Proposal 1 will be fluid. Please feel free to make comments about it as i progress.
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| --Super 1:50pm PDT 7/20/06
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| I think it would be cool if all the medals showed up on the uniform page.... Most medals have thumbnail pics that (I think, Im not technical with the site and stuff) would probly go easily on the uniform.... I dont like giving out a graduation medal and having the new recruit ask, "Why arent my medals showing up?" Just seems a little half-baked to me, no offence to anyone. ":P
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| --Graff Starkiller 12:36 CST 7/21/06
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| Super is correct that the purposals aren't that different from each other, I just made a second one to have on of play arround with. I think the most immedate differece inbetween the purposals in the difference in terminology used in creating them. This is something that should likely be addressed via a seperate discussion so we can firmly agree on terms thus making it easier to communicate ideas between each other.
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| Currently, the draft doesn't have a scheme, I was just making stuff up the top of my head, the extral link to the 2004 purposal is much more of what I had in mind (and the direction Super's going in as well). I'm still re-researching real life military medals since they gave me quite a bit of inspirations on how things are/can be done. I'm hoping to make some headway this weekend but they're a lot to do with it.
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| As for the medals on the uniform page, yes they should. In general all the medals we keep/update/create need graphic tun-ups as well. But for simplicity sake, I'd be up for having ribbion on the uniforms as medals are awarded.
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| Anyway, I got a lot on the mind in reguards to inter-fleet (RS Medals), Fleet medals, and Academy/graduation medals (though, i imagine this will inevitable depend on how that system is organized administratively) and the like. There are clear cut examples of medals which don't need to be awarded by every fleet and likewise there are lots of medals where are just different fleet's variations of each other.
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| Anyway, back to work.
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| --[[User:Rekio|Rekio]] 12:56, 22 July 2006 (EDT)
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| '''Graduation Medals''' <br>
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| This category should include awards from the Fleet training institutions. Better yet, convert the fleet training medals converted to pin which would be "displayed" on the BP Ribbon. Not sure how that looks ascetically, but in terms of realism, I can see it on a uniform. Maybe we should call these "training" or "academy" medals?
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| '''"Service" Medals''' <br>
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| I'm not sure if I'd rather to refer to these as "veteran" medals or not. And again, I's rather see one medals with some sort of extension. e.g. a medallion that gets bronze addition for every additional year, silver for every 5, etc.
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| '''Combat Medals''' <br>
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| ITOD medals might be best served as a series of fleet medals, since only 2-3 fleets would currently use them. Though, I'd like to seem them stick with a general format as purpose here with uniform criteria, but all the fleets to come up with their own name variations.
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| I'm torn on what to do with the MP Medals. As an alternative, I'd rather see the effort put into the merits system instead, and then associating an award or honor or induction into some order based on merit rank. Otherwise, considering the lack of MP in the RS, I think these medals seem somewhat unlikely to be awarded. Awards for unbelievable, unexpected, and whatever have you types of activity should be award in for the form of merit/general awards.
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| Likewise, with "special combat" medals, their criteria seem a bit extraneous consider more available alternatives. Also, the "New Republic Medal of Honor" should be the highest award in the RS and award for some pseudo-god like service and dedication to the RS, thus is completely inappropriate in this category.
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| Special Tour of Duty should remain as a historical (you can only earn it during the competition) Combat Citation for participation in larger competition, such as ORWs, Celestial Fury, ect. I would also really like the idea of naming them "___ Combat Citation" and filling in the blanks with the fictional representation of what was going on. e.g. Minos Combat Citation for the Minos War in the Minos Cluster in 1998, etc.
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| '''Honorary''' <br>
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| Honorary membership is what it says, honorary, reserved for special guests (SW actors, authors, etc.) and should only be awarded to individuals outside of the RS membership - sort of a "civilian" award.
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| '''Commendation''' <br>
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| Merit awards, general awards, commendation or whatever you call them, should be the biggest category of medals (10 or so) and should have general (even ambiguous if you will) awarding criteria so that they may apply to all members of RS and equally used in each of the fleets. The highest award in this category should be the New Republic Medal of Honor. We need to add more medals here each with a different level of precedence.
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| I like Super's use of levels, it creates a clear order of precedence across categories of medals which I neglected to think about in my initial proposal in 2004. I also like how he's taken to renaming some of the more awkward medals which as has always been a pet peeve of mine and enjoy the use of in-universe names to apply achievements.
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| An additional category to add should be "Unit Awards" which would have General RS equivalent of medals like squadron citations, and Top Squadron medals and the like, but perhaps have individual fleet criteria.
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| Anyway those are my comments for now. Later this weekend I'm going to create examples of what I have in mine since these will serve as notes for then.
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| --[[User:Rekio|Rekio]] 14:29, 22 July 2006 (EDT)
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| Thought I would throw in my two cents here :P From what I see I am liking Proposal 1. I did have a problem with the "Required 1 hour or two hours to earn said medel" But now that I have seen the way it seems it will work I am more willing to back it. I also like Rekio's idea about the "Blank Combat Cluster" for combat in a certain system or ITOD or what not. Anyways that is my thoughts right now. Hopefully they will be better next time.
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| Eric Skrevski - July 23rd, 00:49 AM
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| | <del>Just a suggestion to relabel "New Proposal" as something that suggests this has been implemented. [[User:Fcsuper|Fcsuper]] 20:51, 12 June 2007 (EDT)</del> [[Adam Mieter]] 11:56, 29 July 2012 |
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| As you can see, I started to explore the use of (or at least getting inspiration from) the canon [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Alliance_awards Alliance]and New Republic awards. I did my best to rank them in order of precedence, but this is just a start. There are also a few other [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Awards canon awards] from the Old Republic and Clone Wars eras with a nice ring to it, but the more comtemperory Alliance medals would be more likly from an in universe stance. More to come.
| | == There's still a lot of discussionary entries in this article == |
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| --[[User:Rekio|Rekio]] 13:49, 23 July 2006 (EDT) | | <del>There's still a lot of discussionary entries in this article. Please review the article and remove those sections. For example, there is discussion able what should be changed in the bylaws. This should be implemented or not, but either way, it should be rv from the article itself. --[[User:Fcsuper|Fcsuper]] 10:44, 6 July 2008 (EDT)</del> [[Adam Mieter]] 11:56, 29 July 2012 |
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| (From Rahj): I briefly discussed this with Licah recently, but can I ask at large, what is wrong with the current medal system where it warrants an entire revamp? I'm not asking this question because I believe it's not required, it very well may need it, but before trying to tackle any problem with an entire host of new ideas, I think it would be sensible to describe what the problem is, because any new proposal should be working towards fixing that problem. From reading this top to bottom, I don't see what the problem is? (and if I'm supposed to put comments like this elsewhere, let me know - I'm new to the wiki thingy) --Moved by Super to Discussion page
| | <del>The names of the medals in color are no longer needed. I'll standardize it when I have the time, but anyone else can help too. [[Super]] 01:47, 28 March 2009 (EDT)</del> [[Adam Mieter]] 11:59, 29 July 2012 |
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| Ok, basically, the current system is nearly completely useless to MP, and is a bit outdated on the other stuff too. The problem has come up because there's no way for me to award my crew for their participation on a metered, consistant, and repeatable basis. This is for several reasons. Such as, many of the medals just simply don't apply to anything directly. They are nebulus in definition, and even more unpredictable in useage. Traditions have been set up for how the medals are issued (and many of these traditions are themselves outdated), but nothing formal, and nothing to look forward to when making goals for persons who are pursuing a career for their RS persona. This leads into the fact that there is no hiarchy scheme that makes it clear what medals are of higher importance. Also, there's a jumbled mess as to what is covered at the Rs-wide level and what is covered at the Fleet level.
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| These proposals are attempts to bring order to the system by establishing criteria, hiarchy and filling in the BIG HUGE BEYOND BELIEF gaps within the current system.
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| My goal is to create a proposal that uses as much of the current system as possible, expand it in the appropriate directions, bring about structure that is inherient to the system but not yet fully realized, while continueing in the process to create an experience which is unique to the RS and our values.
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| Please let me know if you feel there is something beyond these comments that needs to be addressed.
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| --Super 3:00pm PDT 7/23/06
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All the previous discussions can be found here.
Recent topics of discussion:
Fleets medals should be standardized and consolidated into fleet medals where possible. Adam Mieter 11:56, 29 July 2012Commendation medals are too specific. - They seem to be general enough. Adam Mieter 11:56, 29 July 2012Violet Cluster should not be retired because it is a "fun" medal.Alvace Star and Burdine Cluster should be replaced with names more relevant to the RS. - I think they have nice names and I've heard no complaints so far. Adam Mieter 11:57, 29 July 2012- MP Combat medals guidelines - should they be a daily averages or weekly total? should this include internal or just be for external competitions? should MP medals be recommended by the OO or MO?
relabel
Just a suggestion to relabel "New Proposal" as something that suggests this has been implemented. Fcsuper 20:51, 12 June 2007 (EDT) Adam Mieter 11:56, 29 July 2012
There's still a lot of discussionary entries in this article
There's still a lot of discussionary entries in this article. Please review the article and remove those sections. For example, there is discussion able what should be changed in the bylaws. This should be implemented or not, but either way, it should be rv from the article itself. --Fcsuper 10:44, 6 July 2008 (EDT) Adam Mieter 11:56, 29 July 2012
color code no longer needed
The names of the medals in color are no longer needed. I'll standardize it when I have the time, but anyone else can help too. Super 01:47, 28 March 2009 (EDT) Adam Mieter 11:59, 29 July 2012